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[moirae.livejournal.com]

what is your favorite part of natasha's history/what about it do you find most interesting?

do you like loki, as a character, on the whole, or is there something particular about lady loki that you prefer?

[terra]

Oh, I like just Loki. And I don't call him Lady Loki, I call him Sif!Loki— I think it's kind of important to remember same Loki, just with a temporary douchebag plan. The way fandom eroticizes Loki in Sif's body is gross and tends to take away from Sif, imo. When I first apped Loki I just took him from the most recent issues, and when I reapped I just asked Meg what she'd prefer, timelinewise?? And that is why I play Loki from the timeline that I do.

I think the series of compounded class tensions in her past are really intriguing, and they haven't been dealt with much since the seventies (and then with little care or depth as you'd expect from early seventies). Her family, before she was orphaned, is v. strongly implied to have been aristocratic, White Army supporters, with strong ties to the imperial family, and that's why they were all killed. Then, of course, Natasha became this agent of the communist state. But the espionage fantasy is an upperclass fantasy, it involves world travel and fancy gadgets and fast cars and expensive parties that secrets get traded at, and when Natasha quit spying she became a socialite and styled herself a countess. She found it really boring?? But there's a lot of simultaneous embrace and rejection of consumer culture in there, and I think you could draw parallels with post-Soviet conspicuous consumption in current Russia.

I'm one of those people who doesn't mind that in the end they ran with Claremont's semi-immortality, because it lets her be free of the sliding timeline and have Cold War stories set in specific eras of the Cold War. And I kind of... like history with dates attached.

[moirae.livejournal.com]

ah, i definitely hear you on the sif!loki thing. now that you mention it i guess i prefer that, as well. it's more fitting with the whole power/strategy thing as opposed to just wanting to be another gender, too, i think?

on that note, how do you think natasha classifies herself in terms of class, now? i mean, since she's still a spy and the heroes in general tend to live pretty swanky lifestyles.

[terra]

Yeah, fandom has sort of latched onto the boobs while ignoring the context, probably because movies.

I don't think she classifies herself at all, at least in that way— she sort of shies away from Marxism. She has expensive tastes and enjoys traditionally upper-class forms of entertainment (i.e. she'd probably rather see the symphony than NASCAR) but— she's pretty used to roughing it, too, and she doesn't rely on things to make her happy. So I guess I would say, she's comfortable in all environments and ergo a perpetual outsider.

She keeps dating high school dropouts, too. IDK what that is.

[moirae.livejournal.com]

maybe they just make her feel smart or something

[terra]

I'm... sure that's part of it!!

But yeah a lot of the guys she dates... I can't imagine they want to go out and do the same things on a date as she does. MATT WOULD, SOMETIMES