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SERIOUS POLL TIME.
What are your character's views on humanity!
SERIOUS POLL TIME.
What are your character's views on humanity!
Heh, well.
The vast majority of humanity is useless and thus expendable. Morally speaking, Eddie has no qualms sacrificing a few lives for the greater cause (the greater cause usually being an idea or a pursuit). He respects the ingenuity and extraordinary intellect of the human mind, but realizes that only a minority of remarkable people actually utilize their mental potential. So, the idea of humanity strikes Eddie as inspiring, but the reality is quite a different thing.
It's pretty obvious which individuals he thinks qualify as remarkable, too.
"but realizes that only a minority of remarkable people actually utilize their mental potential"
INTELLECTUAL'S RASKOLNIKOV, IS THAT YOU
INTELLECTUAL'S RASKOLNIKOV, IS THAT YOU
. . . WELL I AM OKAY WITH THAT. I CAN LIVE WITH SLASHY-UPPERTONES
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liverletdie
- 2009-07-01 01:08 (UTC) - ExpandOR MANIPULATIVE BASTARDS WHO ARE ALSO SMUG ASSHOLES which is eddie's category yay
enigmaestro.livejournal.com
- 2009-07-01 01:29 (UTC) - Expandhe IS tony stark; the city made a musical about him, you know.
enigmaestro.livejournal.com
- 2009-07-01 01:44 (UTC) - ExpandI'm tempted to authentically make it the setting of our log. SO TEMPTED.
enigmaestro.livejournal.com
- 2009-07-01 01:55 (UTC) - ExpandAs a concept or a species?
Humanity as a whole, these days, kind of sucks the hope out of Ted due to his head-splitting circumstances and all. Granted, he does morally believe that people need help, need to be protected -- and despite how horrible a person can get, they also get another shot at things. Everyone is important; Ted is USED to being shrugged, therefore everyone IS important somehow. Even if they're an asshole!
Baaaaaasically, despite his worries, Ted thinks humanity, generally, have a lot of potential... even if it can be really, really ugly.
Baaaaaasically, despite his worries, Ted thinks humanity, generally, have a lot of potential... even if it can be really, really ugly.
"Even if they're an asshole".
See keywords.
See keywords.
Oh geez.
Raven has very mixed views about humanity, that get pretty complicated sometimes. Since she's born of a demon and a human, and is constantly plagued by that demonic side of her, she often longs to be completely human, or to at least get rid of the demonic stuff. However it gives her this tainted view of humanity - as if being "human" would rid her of all the evil.
She often forgets that those with complete humanity are prone to falling into evil's snare as well, generally trusts people too easily, or gives them second, third, even fourth chances because of this.
... tends to be what gets her in trouble the most.
However when she has to witness humanity failing - be it cruelty or suffering at the hands of another - it enrages her... mostly because they're poking holes in her beautiful mental image of what humanity should be. She doesn't like that particular dose of reality.
In pure demonic form, Raven sees humanity as something unimportant and foolish. The species itself is nothing more than pawns in her father's game, and a way to further her own gains. HOWEVER - the concept of humanity still remains in her. She feels a strong connection to the idea of "family", in or out of demonic form, and knows that, in general, humanity holds that trait dear.
._. ... as I said, it gets confusing.
holy crap tl;dring so much sorry about that
Raven has very mixed views about humanity, that get pretty complicated sometimes. Since she's born of a demon and a human, and is constantly plagued by that demonic side of her, she often longs to be completely human, or to at least get rid of the demonic stuff. However it gives her this tainted view of humanity - as if being "human" would rid her of all the evil.
She often forgets that those with complete humanity are prone to falling into evil's snare as well, generally trusts people too easily, or gives them second, third, even fourth chances because of this.
... tends to be what gets her in trouble the most.
However when she has to witness humanity failing - be it cruelty or suffering at the hands of another - it enrages her... mostly because they're poking holes in her beautiful mental image of what humanity should be. She doesn't like that particular dose of reality.
In pure demonic form, Raven sees humanity as something unimportant and foolish. The species itself is nothing more than pawns in her father's game, and a way to further her own gains. HOWEVER - the concept of humanity still remains in her. She feels a strong connection to the idea of "family", in or out of demonic form, and knows that, in general, humanity holds that trait dear.
._. ... as I said, it gets confusing.
holy crap tl;dring so much sorry about that
Edited 2009-06-30 22:55 (UTC)
Oh, boy, I guess this is more of a love/hate relationship for this guy than anything else.
Rorschach has them on par with cockroaches. but he'll protect the ones he views as innocent, because it's a moral obligation.
Carnage... obviously doesn't care and just likes to kill and sometimes eat them!!!
Prof. Membrane is very pro-humans and pro-humans-taking-over-the-fucking-universe.
Carnage... obviously doesn't care and just likes to kill and sometimes eat them!!!
Prof. Membrane is very pro-humans and pro-humans-taking-over-the-fucking-universe.
Edited 2009-06-30 22:45 (UTC)
How can you say that with that icon, Ian. How.
Easily. Just like I can say that I love you with this one!
Heee~ I changed it so people wouldn't complain, though.
Heee~ I changed it so people wouldn't complain, though.
Edited 2009-06-30 22:46 (UTC)
Lyra's thoughts on humanity are just starting to form. She's aware of how cruel people can be, and she certainly knows how easy they are to fool. But at the same time, she knows people can be incredibly brave, and kind, and generally she likes people, even if she thinks the humans in the city are REALLY STRANGE for not having daemons.
I'm a realist who's sparing with respect. Doesn't mean I don't like or don't care about people. I fully support a human being's right to live and to fuck up. At least until they start fucking up other people. Then I take issue.
I lived over half my life without meeting a man I could respect. It was all use and abuse if they saw you at all. Not that women are much better... too many are willing victims or more predators.
There are decent human beings out there, though. They're the ones that make the whole mess worth it.
I lived over half my life without meeting a man I could respect. It was all use and abuse if they saw you at all. Not that women are much better... too many are willing victims or more predators.
There are decent human beings out there, though. They're the ones that make the whole mess worth it.
Actually, it's - not what you'd expect, from him. He believes that humanity is to be looked after and has as much a right to Earth as all other species. Despite their stupidity at times, he thinks that humankind is inherently good, even if it needs nudging from the gods to keep it on the right track.
And here I was expecting HUMANS; TASTY.
OKAY WHAT THE HELL.
Waspinator >> Humananity is massive and difficult to understand, and trying to talk to any of its members is usually more effort that it's worth. Admittedly, this goes for Cybertronians too, but slag is he getting sick of explaining PREDACONS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY, FLESHIES.
Sera >> Sera's experiences with humanity as a whole isn't exactly great. She's not actually sure if she counts as a part of it and that bothers her, but Vicious and her speeches about WE ARE STUDENTS BLAH BLAH BLAH make her feel better. Generally, Sera'd rather not be around any people, but she doesn't wish them any kind of harm and just wants to be left alone. Or, ah, treated like one of them. When she's feeling out of it. FFFFFF /is inarticulate. She basically... Thinks the majority of them are idiots and that grates her nerves, but she's happy to let them be so long as their idiocy isn't aimed at her.
Henry >> Is a huge derp and believes in goodness and whatnot. His main point of view is that people are good and don't deserve BIG BAD THINGS to happen to them. But that information is a privelege, not a right, and if people don't need to know something, then they shouldn't.
Elsa >> As somebody who kills non-humans forthe lulz a living, there's a pretty clear divide in her mind between what's human and what isn't. If you aren't, well, okay, you can live so long as you aren't a direct threat. And if you are, you're weak and need protecting, and for her own sake she hopes you're good conversation.
Waspinator >> Humananity is massive and difficult to understand, and trying to talk to any of its members is usually more effort that it's worth. Admittedly, this goes for Cybertronians too, but slag is he getting sick of explaining PREDACONS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY, FLESHIES.
Sera >> Sera's experiences with humanity as a whole isn't exactly great. She's not actually sure if she counts as a part of it and that bothers her, but Vicious and her speeches about WE ARE STUDENTS BLAH BLAH BLAH make her feel better. Generally, Sera'd rather not be around any people, but she doesn't wish them any kind of harm and just wants to be left alone. Or, ah, treated like one of them. When she's feeling out of it. FFFFFF /is inarticulate. She basically... Thinks the majority of them are idiots and that grates her nerves, but she's happy to let them be so long as their idiocy isn't aimed at her.
Henry >> Is a huge derp and believes in goodness and whatnot. His main point of view is that people are good and don't deserve BIG BAD THINGS to happen to them. But that information is a privelege, not a right, and if people don't need to know something, then they shouldn't.
Elsa >> As somebody who kills non-humans for
*corrupts Waspinator forever.,*
those keywords; you wil find out in the ghetto real fast
chewtoyoffate.livejournal.com
- 2009-06-30 23:46 (UTC) - Expandwho would want to rape Metabee besides Henry
punmanarmy.livejournal.com
- 2009-06-30 23:49 (UTC) - ExpandMedabots as a whole are a servile race, but Metabee don't take none of that shit so he tends to place himself as equal to them. Besides being tiny and metal, his thought processes work the same way a human's do, really.
She says it herself: "Personally, I think humans and cat-women can live together in peace and harmony. Sure, there might be a few bumps in the road, but things will smooth out eventually." and "Most people are good at heart. Just like not all Darkstalkers are bad." Felicia wholeheartedly believes in the goodness of humans, despite the fact they're racist towards her. She keeps her chin up and doesn't let a few incidents get her down.
wait i forgot
are all catwomen actualy women
isn't this a little awkward for DS!joe?
are all catwomen actualy women
isn't this a little awkward for DS!joe?
It's kind of funny. Most of the Cybertronians I've encountered, even those on my own team and faction, consider humans to be beneath them. Inferior, in some ways, or deserving of being controlled, and guided - lifted up to our standards.
And maybe, when I first arrived on Earth, I probably had a similar notion. But after living with them, being in their city and seeing the many things they're capable of - both good and evil - I've come to realize that humans and Cybertronians really aren't that different. There's good robots and bad robots and robots who just want to live their life without being bothered by either, and the same applies to humanity. And like us, they've just as much of a right to choose what side they take (if any) whenever and however they want.
I never actually realized what being human was like until I had the opportunity to become one, and because of that, I've learned that while humans share the same basic mental and emotional struggles that we do, there's so much more to humanity than meets the viz scanners. How intensely humans feel emotion, for example. Yeah, there's some pretty gross parts, and reproduction sounds inefficient and way too sticky for me to feel comfortable about it, but in spite of their short comings, humans are some of the most resilient creatures I've ever encountered. What they lack in physical durability they more than make up for with their hearts.
Basically, humans - and all sentient beings- have the right to freedom. Freedom to live however they want, freedom to help or hinder, freedom to screw up or thrive, or even freedom to not do anything.. just as I have freedom to stop evildoers if necessary. I wish I could be optimistic enough to believe that there's no evil in the world, but it's there, and as long as I process code, I won't stop protecting the rights and freedoms of those that can't protect their own.
So how do I feel about humanity? I have faith in them - there's good and evil in ever person, but my hope is that eventually, good will prevail.
And maybe, when I first arrived on Earth, I probably had a similar notion. But after living with them, being in their city and seeing the many things they're capable of - both good and evil - I've come to realize that humans and Cybertronians really aren't that different. There's good robots and bad robots and robots who just want to live their life without being bothered by either, and the same applies to humanity. And like us, they've just as much of a right to choose what side they take (if any) whenever and however they want.
I never actually realized what being human was like until I had the opportunity to become one, and because of that, I've learned that while humans share the same basic mental and emotional struggles that we do, there's so much more to humanity than meets the viz scanners. How intensely humans feel emotion, for example. Yeah, there's some pretty gross parts, and reproduction sounds inefficient and way too sticky for me to feel comfortable about it, but in spite of their short comings, humans are some of the most resilient creatures I've ever encountered. What they lack in physical durability they more than make up for with their hearts.
Basically, humans - and all sentient beings- have the right to freedom. Freedom to live however they want, freedom to help or hinder, freedom to screw up or thrive, or even freedom to not do anything.. just as I have freedom to stop evildoers if necessary. I wish I could be optimistic enough to believe that there's no evil in the world, but it's there, and as long as I process code, I won't stop protecting the rights and freedoms of those that can't protect their own.
So how do I feel about humanity? I have faith in them - there's good and evil in ever person, but my hope is that eventually, good will prevail.
OH SO WE CAN DO THIS ICLY /PUTS ON ASSHOLE BOOTS
chewtoyoffate.livejournal.com
2009-06-30 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)
TL;DR
but i was gonna offer waspy a second chance :C
androllout.livejournal.com
- 2009-06-30 23:26 (UTC) - ExpandNot just friendship. Justice and freedom, too
androllout.livejournal.com
- 2009-06-30 23:34 (UTC) - Expand/SQUEEKS are there some reserved already? i haven't checked the page in a while.
getzrevenge.livejournal.com
- 2009-07-01 00:17 (UTC) - Expanddefinitely a movie bee (fun fact! he plays wasp in the Wake!)
androllout.livejournal.com
- 2009-07-01 00:19 (UTC) - ExpandWade has seen the ugliest humanity has to offer, and he's killed a lot of it. He's BEEN a lot of it. He was a whim away from catapulting the whole of humanity into braindead smiling happy bliss for eternity because that would be better than the selfish asshole most people are deep down. Yet he decided to do what he figured guys like Captain America would do. Because deep down he wants to be better, and if he ever figures out how - if a scumbag like him can actually turn it around and make it work, it might finally disprove the theory that the world is nothing but a flawed, broken thing that eats the little guy for breakfast and laughs about it. Instead, everybody who doesn't turn it around is just a selfish asshole what needs a-stabbin'.
McClane thinks the assholes outnumber the good guys, but it's a matter of attrition.
Goliath is distrustful of humanity, but is quite convinced of their ability to turn away from their baser natures and become positive forces. It's just arduous and difficult sometimes to accomplish.
Thundercracker... the jury's still out. They suck because they can't fly and they're so damn squishable... but he's starting to learn that there's something about their fragility and short life spans that kinda makes them a lot more alive.
McClane thinks the assholes outnumber the good guys, but it's a matter of attrition.
Goliath is distrustful of humanity, but is quite convinced of their ability to turn away from their baser natures and become positive forces. It's just arduous and difficult sometimes to accomplish.
Thundercracker... the jury's still out. They suck because they can't fly and they're so damn squishable... but he's starting to learn that there's something about their fragility and short life spans that kinda makes them a lot more alive.
I believe in it. I believe humanity as a whole can overcome any obstacle that gets in its way, if they don't falter!
--
Dark Yuugi's very optimistic towards them. Even when faced against a god who gained his powers from the anger and hatred of humans, he had the nads to say he would believe in his people and their willingness to survive. But that's post-Memory World...
I think the real Pharaoh Atem wasn't as optimistic. He didn't defeat Zorc, he just postponed the inevitable battle. Then 3,000 years after he awakens, he's extremely judgmental of others.
--
Dark Yuugi's very optimistic towards them. Even when faced against a god who gained his powers from the anger and hatred of humans, he had the nads to say he would believe in his people and their willingness to survive. But that's post-Memory World...
I think the real Pharaoh Atem wasn't as optimistic. He didn't defeat Zorc, he just postponed the inevitable battle. Then 3,000 years after he awakens, he's extremely judgmental of others.
Edited 2009-06-30 23:56 (UTC)
ACCORDING TO ELISA: Some are good, some are just okay, and some are evil rat bastards that need to be in chains for all eternity. It takes all sorts, you know? You can't judge an entire species with only one sentiment, that's completely ridiculous.
ACCORDING TO MARY: Uhm... I'm not sure I really understand the question? I mean, I think people are all good underneath, but sometimes it's hard to really see that, but if everyone just has a tad more empathy, I think we can all live together peacefully!
ACCORDING TO MARY: Uhm... I'm not sure I really understand the question? I mean, I think people are all good underneath, but sometimes it's hard to really see that, but if everyone just has a tad more empathy, I think we can all live together peacefully!
Humanity needs to be more gay.
It's fine other than that.
It's fine other than that.
Dammit, Ian. Philosophical posts. :|
Tony's views on humanity are so...god I don't even know how to describe it. He wants to protect them, but at the same time, he realizes that they are very easily manipulated, and he feels the need to utilize this to his own devices.
I think, deep down, Tony wishes that people didn't need to have things kept from them or be manipulated, but he realizes the practical side of the mob mentality, and he knows that at the end of the day, if he doesn't utilize it, someone else will. So really, Tony views humanity as something that needs to be protected, and he loves humanity, but at the same time, he realizes it's faults, and he is perfectly willing to capitalize on these faults in pursuit of what he thinks is the greater good.
--
Mara. Uh. God. She distrusts humanity (okay, let's call it civilization for her, since she lives around aliens here) quite a bit. Since she was manipulated from her early childhood by a mass murderer to believe that she was protecting people and that she had a just cause, she's pretty damn bitter when it comes to humanity. However, that doesn't mean that she won't fight to protect the innocent. At her heart, Mara is a good person, she's just a good person who was burned very badly and has to learn that not everyone is a stinking pile of poodoo like Palpatine was. She wants to believe in humanity, but...she also doesn't want to let anyone have any control over her!
Tony's views on humanity are so...god I don't even know how to describe it. He wants to protect them, but at the same time, he realizes that they are very easily manipulated, and he feels the need to utilize this to his own devices.
I think, deep down, Tony wishes that people didn't need to have things kept from them or be manipulated, but he realizes the practical side of the mob mentality, and he knows that at the end of the day, if he doesn't utilize it, someone else will. So really, Tony views humanity as something that needs to be protected, and he loves humanity, but at the same time, he realizes it's faults, and he is perfectly willing to capitalize on these faults in pursuit of what he thinks is the greater good.
--
Mara. Uh. God. She distrusts humanity (okay, let's call it civilization for her, since she lives around aliens here) quite a bit. Since she was manipulated from her early childhood by a mass murderer to believe that she was protecting people and that she had a just cause, she's pretty damn bitter when it comes to humanity. However, that doesn't mean that she won't fight to protect the innocent. At her heart, Mara is a good person, she's just a good person who was burned very badly and has to learn that not everyone is a stinking pile of poodoo like Palpatine was. She wants to believe in humanity, but...she also doesn't want to let anyone have any control over her!
STARSCREAM: Slaves at best. An infestation to be purged at worst. He thinks of them as an inferior species. Interestingly, he's endlessly amused by how much they resemble Cybertronians... and no, he doesn't think of it as the other way around. After all, he's been an emotional, screechy bastard for millenia before humans even existed, so he's pretty sure that Cybertronians did it first (and better, besides).
Basically, he thinks of humans the same way he thinks of everything else in his life: if they can't help him on his path to power and glory, then they're useless
GAMERA: Gamera was built to protect humanity (yes, built) and it's hard-wired in him to do so. However, his time as a human has undone that intrinsic programming; and in the second movie (he's taken from before then) he slowly starts to become more anti-heroish like Godzilla, since humans keep trying to bloody shoot him despite his attempts to help. He starts to hate them in a way and wonders why the hell he's bothering to protect them when all they do is hurt him. By the end of the third movie he's come back around but he does spend some time being a bit >( at humanity. Here in CnC he's wiffle-waffling. Lorna and the Brotherhood he likes a lot, but he's not getting why humans fight each other so much - that doesn't make any sense to him. And he also doesn't get why they have to be so destructive to their surroundings (not that he can talk) and is also questioning a few other things. He was after all made to clean up someone else's stupid mistakes and mess (Gyaos) and so sometimes he's not sure if they're worth protecting. Still, it's his job and he's damn well gonna do it.
Basically, he thinks of humans the same way he thinks of everything else in his life: if they can't help him on his path to power and glory, then they're useless
GAMERA: Gamera was built to protect humanity (yes, built) and it's hard-wired in him to do so. However, his time as a human has undone that intrinsic programming; and in the second movie (he's taken from before then) he slowly starts to become more anti-heroish like Godzilla, since humans keep trying to bloody shoot him despite his attempts to help. He starts to hate them in a way and wonders why the hell he's bothering to protect them when all they do is hurt him. By the end of the third movie he's come back around but he does spend some time being a bit >( at humanity. Here in CnC he's wiffle-waffling. Lorna and the Brotherhood he likes a lot, but he's not getting why humans fight each other so much - that doesn't make any sense to him. And he also doesn't get why they have to be so destructive to their surroundings (not that he can talk) and is also questioning a few other things. He was after all made to clean up someone else's stupid mistakes and mess (Gyaos) and so sometimes he's not sure if they're worth protecting. Still, it's his job and he's damn well gonna do it.
For someone so evil, the Major has an extremely positive view of humanity. The concept of humanity is deeply important to him, and one of the only ways to even mildly provoke him is to suggest that he's something else. The Major believes that humans are special since they have the capacity of free will and possessing their own hearts/souls, which sets them apart from 'monsters'.
His philosophy is largely based on witnessing humanity at its best and worst, as revealed by the hardships of life's struggles. The greater and more violent the struggle, the more desperate the hardship, the more spectacular the results displayed by humanity. Whether these results are heroism or depravity, the Major doesn't care: he loves humans good and bad, as long as they are willing to fight for what they are. Those who do not fight are good only so far as they relate to those who do, whether as a cause or targets.
His philosophy is largely based on witnessing humanity at its best and worst, as revealed by the hardships of life's struggles. The greater and more violent the struggle, the more desperate the hardship, the more spectacular the results displayed by humanity. Whether these results are heroism or depravity, the Major doesn't care: he loves humans good and bad, as long as they are willing to fight for what they are. Those who do not fight are good only so far as they relate to those who do, whether as a cause or targets.
Calvin's view of humanity is dim to say the least. He much prefers the company of nature, Hobbes, and his own sweet self. Mankind's capacity for waste, pollution, and destructiveness all especially disgust and occasionally bewilder him. However, nature-loving Calvin is also a consummate consumerist, and participates in these activities enthusiastically himself.
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