REMINDER

[capemods]

Please remember that GDS is limited to one meme a day, going by EST. Since we've already had two memes today, please refrain from posting any memes tomorrow, guys.

Additionally, even with this limit in place, we're getting complaints that the game is too meme-heavy and people are feeling left out of a lot of the interaction. We've previously used a three-meme-a-week limit and certainly received fewer complaints about the issue back then. Should we officially cut back on memes again? (Conversely, we have received requests to do away with the meme limitation all together.) Discuss below.

Comments

[antiduality.livejournal.com]

YES

[boomboombatshit.livejournal.com]

YES. Cut back on them. They're more fun if they're less frequent.

[goryteller]

I'd be cool with memes that are every other day!

[jewpryde.livejournal.com]

I think one a day is fine-- it's not like people have to post in the memes. And one post isn't going to flood peoples' pages. I could dig three a week, though. I think we usually get between three and five a week? Less so when people are busy.

[superxgrlfriend.livejournal.com]

I agree with this. If people are experiencing meme burnout, it's their prerogative not to participate in them.

[darkprophecies.livejournal.com]

As someone suffering from severe meme burnout - I have to say yes to limiting it further.

[supergabbie.livejournal.com]

3 a week sounds fine to me. I mean, I don't mind it at one a day, but I can see why people might get burnt out.

Also, maybe put a counter of some kind in the profile that says what time it is, EST? For people on GMTish/not USA timezones mostly so they can be like OH OKAY it's ___o' clock there.

[jewpryde.livejournal.com]

Agreed with the counter idea! I think that would be really helpful in general. o:

[wondah.livejournal.com]

Three a week sounds fine by me! Less recycling that way, too.

[wolfofmibu]

yyyep.

[bluffing-ruffle.livejournal.com]

Still maintaining the position on 'more memes + self-discipline'.

[yayashton.livejournal.com]

I think I'm in this camp.

If I am not feeling a meme or not feeling silly enough or whatever, I just kind of ignore them. Or I sleep.

[lovemedangit.livejournal.com]

As a thought:

There are really two types of memes: memes designed to increase IC interaction [plotting memes and the like] and the ones that are just OoC fun. Maybe put a limit on the OoC memes and try and encourage the interaction/organizational/productive memes more?

[superxgrlfriend.livejournal.com]

What would be the point in limiting the OOC memes, if you don't mind me asking? I would think that if the people are using IC memes to plot/CR whatever, and THAT's what people are complaining about missing, than I would argue if you had to cut any memes at all -- which I don't think is necessary -- it would be the IC memes.

[bossisawitch.livejournal.com]

I personally feel that memes are stuffer content and there is absolutely no rule that says that YOU HAVE TO POST IN THEM TO MAKE FRIENDS11!! In the past, we had some troubles because people befriended/plotted/skulked around mainly in the meme posts. I feel that lately people have been better about throwing themselves out in the wind and not relying on memes to generate CR, so that isn't as much of a problem as it once was. Are there too many memes? Maybe, yes, but as long as it isn't hampering IC content I don't feel that it should be stopped. Some people dislike them, sure, but I don't see that as reason enough to kick it to the curb or stamp down the activity. If further restrictions are put on them, how will we decide who/when things get posted? I don't like to think that something as silly as memes will be turned into a contest (and if it comes to camping out or worrying that you're stepping on everyone's toes by posting a meme, it will turn contesty and quick).

We have the most memes when people are trying to not flood the IC community (RE: the timeswitch plot, where we were specifically asked not to flood), so I think that it's essential to burning off some of the group RP drive. Yes, memes are full of pretty graphics and blinking lights that may annoy you, but they aren't actively hurting anything that I can see. If this isn't the case and someone else has noticed it having an adverse effect, I'd love to hear it.

[goryteller]

Actually, I'm changing my opinion! I think you've put this very eloquently, and I agree with you. The more we limit memes, the more people we'll have camping out to make sure they get the spot, the more it becomes a contest, the more it becomes something to stress about. We're getting that already, I think, and limiting the memes to three times a week will only increase it.

I also only post in memes when I'm too scattered to manage real tagging. I don't think it impacts my ability to play.

[notsoloyal]

i personally think that the one meme a day rule is fine. people aren't being forced to post in them, and they're easy enough to skip over when you don't feel like posting in one/are too busy/etc.
then again i've never seen the game as too meme heavy, so maybe that's just me.

[jonocalypse.livejournal.com]

I'd like the three-meme-a-week limit. They're more ~special~ if they're scarcer. Too much of a good thing and all that.

[easytochop.livejournal.com]

I'm personally fine with the one-per-day rule currently in place, and I think that the personal "oh I'm not interested in this/don't have the time" self-regulating has actually become more evident recently, but will roll with whatever the comm as a whole goes with!

[ajrimmer-ssc.livejournal.com]

Please stick with the once a day? And I like the clock/timer idea a lot.

[hellcommander.livejournal.com]

Memes are memes. I would keep the "one a day" rule just so we aren't supersaturated, but further limitations are not necessary. If you want to participate, ok. If not, then don't. Sure I get bummed about being "late" but you get over it.

However, I do think if someone wants to put up a meme relevant to the game itself with an actual use other than just for funsies, I think it should be allowed to be posted even if there was a funsies meme already posted that day. Don't limit the memes that actually get something accomplished.

[jewpryde.livejournal.com]

I agree with this!

I have nothing else to add :D

[dreadable.livejournal.com]

3 A WEEK!

[spadassin.livejournal.com]

limiting sounds fine (:

[squad6lt.livejournal.com]

I don't know why but I kind of agree with Fran on this one. More IC memes means more plotting, more character interaction, and perhaps less activity fail than what I've seen and almost had to endure previously. As it is, there are virtually no plotting or CR memes here, and isn't this kind of the purpose of memes to begin with? I mean, I'm no Daniel Jackson (and I'll be damned if I ever tried to play him), but wouldn't it make more sense to limit the amount of miscellaneous memes to three a week and maybe fill the void with some more game-related memes? Like say a plotting meme or something of that nature? I mean as it is, the whole point of RP is to put characters in new situations and have CR with people that they don't normally interact with, and I'm not getting that at all. I'm sorry to dump this on you guys like this, but don't you think that a group of memes that facilitates this sort of thing would be beneficial instead of the current set?

If it had to come to it, I'd say that the current set of memes should go back to three a week, maybe MWF idek, and have some sort of game related spam set up as a back-up for those other days when someone really can't wait.

[supergabbie.livejournal.com]

My two cents --

There's only so many IC plotting memes we can have without being repetitive, and really no reason to have them much more frequently than we already do. A plotting meme, for instance, is fine to have say once a month, or once every two months. People can (and should be) plotting OUTSIDE of memes, via AIM/PM/natural threading progression/etc., it's not like this kind of thing is dependent on the memes.

Whereas with the OOC memes, there's not something you can get anywhere else. It's distinctly different from in-game, which is why it's fun and why it's different.

[bitchitsfrosty]

3 a week please.

And this is Kris.

[jewpryde.livejournal.com]

HOW MANY ACCOUNTS DO YOU HAVE KRIS LOLOLOL

[notadartboard]

While...I like and understand grimm's point, n'such, I actually....

Hnrgh.

Okay, here goes. I find that daily memes contributes to the subtle sense of being left out.

Also, I can see where it occasionally does take activity away from the main comm, whether for good or for bad. But that's on the players to police themselves and honestly I could take or leave it. But it's the other sense that makes me want less memes. If for no other reason than, I don't trust people in large groups to be self-policing.

It really is very frustrating when you throw your characters into a meme and get no responses. Or the only responses you get are from a small circle that makes you wonder if you're that circle-jerky IN-game. Yes, the solution is to stop posting in memes period, but then how do you break into the social circles that seem to subtly influence in-game dynamics? Consider my roommate, Junabi, who plays Kaiba and Edna, who doesn't have the time to ever post in memes ever. How many of you can say you actually know her OOC or talk to her about the game or her characters? I don't want to be denied the chance to get to know a fellow player simply because they never post in memes, and when they do they get no responses so they feel left out.

Honestly, most days I feel left out. So I decided to stop posting in memes. Now I feel like I'm missing all the fun and being a big dang party-pooper for being all B| GUYS WHY AREN'T YOU POSTING IN THE MAIN GAME? Neither feeling is a fun feeling.

I honestly just don't trust people to be self-moderating in participating in memes. Too many/too much does kill the drive to tag in the main game - I have done that myself many a time. It's not that I can't tag the game for some reason, it's because I'm a big fat lazybutt who can't be arsed to think for two seconds but instead can capslock on a meme. I admit this and it's also part of why I TRY to stop posting in memes.

I'm just rambling. I guess I advocate less memage, but I also kind of hope that people COULD be a little more self-moderating and not gorge themselves on the sweet candy of memes when they really ought to be having meat and potatoes instead. I know no one is deliberately trying to foster cliques or a sense of exclusion toward players who don't check spam or don't participate in memes for one reason or another, it's one of those things that just happens naturally due to herd mentality. If people can't control their meming then they need to have less opportunities to meme.

ITP: many newly invented forms of the word "meme," now in delicious verb and adverb form!

[miraclefusion.livejournal.com]

Seconded, because this was put more eloquently than I think I could manage. I try to participate in the ones I think I'd stand even a tiny chance of being replied to in, though that doesn't usually happen anyway. |D So often times, I feel like one of those people who's always left out of the crack love.

Also agreeing that I'm not sure just saying "use self-control" is going to actually mean people are going to adhere to said self-control regarding memes. Herd mentality is powerful enough to shatter it when people get swept up in a fun moment/idea.

[noelleno.livejournal.com]

Do as many as you guys want I don't really care I ain't gon' stop you

[noelleno.livejournal.com]

PS does this apply to the on-going CRY WOLF? Cause if this is actually genuinely pissing people off..,.,

[anthraxpretzels.livejournal.com]

i will be pissed off if we run out of mcnuggets

[frostmourned.livejournal.com]

I dont really mind. Being in the UK timezone means I miss most of them anyway XD

[bet-on-bolton.livejournal.com]

I really really would like one a day.

People don't have to participate if they don't want, and they're pretty easy to ignore. And my main issue is, if they get limited to 3 a day, my time zone means I'll probably miss a lot of them. Missing them isn't such an issue when it's one a day cause I'll know I'll catch one the day after. xDD

I don't think memes make people any less active on the main comm either. Sometimes they spur people on to posting. And sometimes I just find that if I've only got an hour to kill before bed or work or whatever, there is no point in me starting up a post, so meme makes life easier. :B

Derp.